Wow...the emotions are running high with the murder of one of a few late term abortion doctors...I don't think that there are too many Christians who would condone the murder of this man...but the feeling that is running rampant is that there are many who do not feel sorry that this has happened.
Some feel guilty that they are having these feelings but struggle with it because of the atrocities that have taken place to almost 60,000 aborted babies at the hands of this one man...
It is obvious that this murder was wrong and should have never taken place the way it did, but what do we do with all of these feelings...
I have some more thoughts but I would love to have you weigh in...
Pastor Dan
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I know what you mean Pastor Dan. I was watching the news on Sunday when they ran this story. I was appalled that he was killed in the church. I could honestly feel sorry for his family, but I was, as you say, feeling strange because I couldn't really feel sorry for him personally. I didn't feel for him at all.
This man has killed thousands of children.
I am 'glad' that he has been stopped? Not glad he was murdered. How's a Christian supposed to rightly and justly react to this?
Is not feeling sorry for him any different than not feeling sorry for someone who has killed children after they have been born and received the death penalty. Not that I'm trying to justify anything one way or another. Just asking honest questions.
Thou shall not murder is one of the big ten. While I do not condone abortion for any reason, these words come flooding in my heart "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." I wonder how many women and or their partner would go the same route if they feared for their life. As a barren woman I can say I'd rather die than have an abortion. But, if I had a family at home depending on me, it would be a much harder choice. We are too often so quick to judge others, sitting in our self-righteousness. But, my Bible says God sees all sin as equal, even the thought of sin, so who am I to throw the first stone? I believe the proper step is to forgive and then pray and pray and pray. Pray first for God's forgiveness for yourself for any hatred in your own heart. Then pray for the doctors, staff, and most of all the women. If you don't know how to pray for them, let the Holy Spirit pray for you. Then pray for wisdom and knowledge for all. King Solomon prayed for wisdom in deciding the life of a baby. People are destroyed for lack of knowledge, this includes all of us. Prayer can change everything. Love is the seed we need to plant not hatred. My Bible says love, which is God, and hatred can not co-exist. For those who are battling inside, now is the time to fill up on God and push the hatred out. Unless you do, God can't use you. Don't expect to be perfect but always strive to love. I'm praying for the man whose heart was so full of hate he murdered this Dr. I'm praying for the Dr.'s family and his church. I'm praying for our country that has allowed us to go to a place of murdering in God's name. I'm praying for the women who have had abortions. It's very hard to hate peoople you pray for no matter who they are or what they do. That is a big part of what will allow God to use me to help people "Christians" despise. And know this, I'm praying for you too. Kay E.
What surprised me the most surrounding this... is the irony and the reality. The abortion doctor was an usher or something to that effect in the church and the gunman - well he shot and killed him at CHURCH.
It makes me wonder... do I feel safe at church? Is church a place where we tolerate too much? Or not enough? Will my convictions... be someone else's trigger?
What a scary place to be for church leadership in today's world - bolding teaching truthes, no lieing, no murder, pornography, homosexuality, etc., and then having to trust that as you work to educate your flock the devil is at work just as quickly trying to divide the masses. That someone can rationalize killing someone. And that the physical building or gathering of "church" is something that is no longer sacred. It feels a little bit like war.
How do we learn to be accountable and not judgmental? How do we live our lives not for us, but for Him? Church isn't about me or about you. It is about Him. About what Jesus did for us... what He can do with us, dispite ourselves.
I believe abortion is wrong and that the people who went to the doctor are just as responsible for the lives of the unborn babies. People have been taking unwanted pregnancies in their own hands for years and probably will continue. Personally as a Christian I would not want any hand in ending of life of an unborn baby. I know there are some difficult circumstances that present themselves. My second pregnancy I found out at 16 weeks the baby I was carrying was encephalic (brain did not develop). I was given the option to induce and take the baby. I was told the baby would live only two hours if that if I carried full term. My doctor was a Christian and presented the facts to me and told me if I chose to take the baby that he would not be able to do. I so respect him to this day for that. As a believer I knew that I could not touch the life of the baby. I carried the baby 36 weeks; she kicked and moved, was born, and died 24 mins later. That was the best decision I ever made. Some things you shouldn’t touch. I know everyone wouldn’t be able to handle a situation like this one but God brought me through it and he would do the same for those who trust him. I am sharing this because I had a choice to make and I could have taken the easy way out but I didn’t. I certainly would not tell another woman what to do. I would only encourage them to trust God. He is faithful. Christians can stand for what they believe and not participate in things that God disapproves of. As far as the doctor is concern I will say that vengeance is the Lord’s. We as Christians should be careful that we don’t find ourselves taking lives of others when we are trying to stand up for life. The people going to have the abortion are just as responsible. Are people going to take the lives of those people too? Very scary.
When I first read this article in the paper, I was flooded with emotions and thoughts. At first, I remembered a film I saw in high school in which the late-term abortion procedure was described where a "doctor" uses a pair of scissors and inserts them into the head of a baby in the final stages of development, killing the baby. I felt angry, sad, and helpless. Believing that at this point in development, the baby surely felt the pain of this horrible act...I still shake when I think of the pain and trauma that this baby suffered. Upon reading this article of the "thousands" of babies who experienced this trauma, I feel that a sense of justice was done. No, I don't mean to say that the way this man was killed was right. He should not have been shot in a church. However, I do believe that he deserved to die. On the other hand, I don't know the rest of the story. Who killed this man? Was it someone who he "operated" on, or a father of an innocent child whose life was snuffed out? We are only lead to believe that it was some christian extremist...of course. Yes, God is our vindicator, and even if this was an act of vengeance, it was not right, but perhaps the person's mind was not either. Who knows what that person may have went through. O.k. so I guess I had a few thoughts concerning this.
I'm curious to know at what time is "violence" a viable option? Not that this mans life was not precious but it seems even our own American history is pinpointed with violent events that we condone, ie. The American Revolution, The Civil War.
If this man had held 60,000 infants hostage, society would have a completly different point of view had he been gunned down at that point.
With that said, I am a little confused on the issue. Knowing that he can no longer murder innocent babies seems to be good. The manner in which it was achieved feels wrong.
I want to make it clear that I have no ill will nor any hard feeling against this 'Doctor'. I just am not really remorsful over his death.
I do agree with Jantina regarding her thoughts on the church he was a member of. What a strange happening that, first of all, he was a leader in the church, and secondly that the church is where he was murdered. Through the media, this church has become portrayed as the sanctuary of two murderers, one who killed children, the other of whom, killed the killer of children. Two wrongs don't make a right, they just make more wrong.
No this Doctor should not have been performing abortions, but the shooter should not have taken what he thought to be justice into his own hands.
My mom always told me that justice and vengence is always and only the Lords to have. If we humans decide to take it into our hands, we tie God's hands in the matter to a degree. God can't deal with this Doctor here on earth anymore because someone decided to take his life.
It's a hard thing to think about. When to stop what you know is wrong? Am I sorry he is dead? Well I don't know him so I can't have any feelings for him in that regard, but I would not have wished him dead.
Killing him may have saved lives, but I doubt it. If a woman wants an abortion, she'll find a way to obtain it. Even if his death had saved lives, a lesser evil is still evil, and one murder doesn't deserve another.
Regarding that, how do I feel about the death penalty. I've never thought about it before.
Here I find myself trying to answer a question and just finding more questions...
2,985 people murdered on 9-11 at the hands of Osama Bin Laden
60,000 Human Lives snuffed out by "Dr."Abortionist...
The Day Osama gets shot by an American Hero...people will be Praising Jesus and Dancing in the streets as they should... But an Abortionist gets the same and people are uneasy about it... I'm puzzled by that. It does show however, that even though people say they think abortion is Murder... Do they really understand the magnitude that a Life unborn or not is a Soul and carries the same weight in the eyes of the Lord. If he had killed all the people in Urbandale, Johnston and Grimes less people would be dead! Even though we are a nation of Laws... The first right listed as inalienable in the Declaration is Life and it is our Duty to protect that first... Remember God had the Nation of Israel completely wipe people groups off the planet because of the evil things they did like child sacrificing and Homosexuality... We cannot condone Lawless behavior but the value of a life is the same breathing air or not! Maybe the assasin deserves a Medal... I'll be shakin his hand when i get to the Pearly Gates...
Christ died for ALL of us so we might ALL be forgiven of our sins. I hate abortion! But, Christ calls us to love everyone, not just the ones who do good so that they are easy to love. Of course we all know murder is wrong and it is no more wrong that it happened in God's house than if it would have happened in the very room this man performed the abortions in! As murders, is this how we want the world to see being a Christian means. People who do not know Christ are they not looking for a way to stop hurting and to become joyful? I don't know where this man's heart was, performing abortions and then not only attending church, but serving there as well. Only God knows this man's heart. But, perhaps he was in the process of repentace and God was doing a work in him and he might have been used by God to speak out against this vile act of not only murdering our children, but torturing them before they die! God loved even that doctor and wanted to see him saved. Maybe we should all take another look at the Bible where it tells us to pull the log out of our own eye before we jugde someone else. Yes, we could judge this mans obvious fruits and they were rotten, but we did not know what was going on inside his heart or what could have been and now there will not be a what could have been. Where was God glorified in this? Everything we do is to be for His glory. We need to pray for that person who was just as guilty of murder as the doctor and we need to pray for each of us, for but the grace of God there go I.
he was a late term abortion doctor correct? eh, I really dont care.. it was his time to after killing thousands of babies
I feel very sorry for those who witnesses the event, I feel sorry for those who will be affected by the media's portrayal of a rabid Christian and thus may become disillusioned with the message of Christ.
I cannot feel sorry for a person who willingly chooses to murder viable children. In fact, I truly do not believe that the Bible calls us to do so. At this stage the doctor is dead, his judgment has been written, and there is nothing left that can be done about it. I will not pay undeserveed homage to the dead.
I'll leave God to judge the doctor, and his killer, but I certainly know which of the two I'd prefer still be alive.
And you call yourselves "Christian" ??? Not in my lexicon
So we all agree murder is wrong. No one seems to be for abortion, right? We may even question the salvation of the doctor, being raised a Lutheran this is not a shocking thing. In fact many mass murders have a Lutheran connection including Hitler whose "mentor" was the writings of Martin Luther. I digress. I just wonder how many "christians" supported this doctor by voting for a Democrat?! Abortion is one of the main party platforms of this party as well as other things I've heard Pastor Dan preach against. If you voted for Mr. Obama then look in the mirror and see who helped murder all the aborted children!
It's so easy to let our feelings and emotions take over. Especially where children are concerned! Murder is wrong and that is no respecter of who the victim is. I would love to believe there will be fewer abortions now... but abortion doctors are in business because they have customers. Killing abortion doctors is like puting a band-aide on a severed limb. The doctors are not really the problem, they're just a symptom of a horrible disease... sin. If we could reach these women of all ages who think this is really the solution to their situation.
Stopping abortion today will happen one unborn life at a time... then we can put abortion doctors out of business!
Robin Hale
I am so very tired of being told that if I voted this way I'm not a Christian. If I was raised and baptised in this religion, I'm not a Christian.
Who has a right to tell ANYONE if they're a Christian???
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